Tongue-Ties and Lip-Ties: how to effectively deal with them in 21st-Century America

If you are reading this blog, chances are that you have, or somebody you love has, a ‘frenum’, commonly called Tongue-Tie (if it’s under the tongue) or Lip-Tie (if it’s in between the two upper front teeth). What an adventure it was for us, when we found out our little daughter had one! We hope our experience can help you find a better way to treat it than the one we had to face. What is main stream right now in America’s medical system, in fact, is unfortunately not the most effective way. If you are a doctor, a dentist or an oral surgeon who wants to know what this article is about and is willing to read it with an open mind, I salute you for that, and I kindly encourage you to read through the end.  An overly-short frenulum may require a medical procedure to achieve normal mobility. There are several ways to refer to this procedure, according to how it is performed. Scissors incision is called a ‘frenotomy’ or ‘frenulotomy’. Excising the tissue and then using sutures is called ‘frenuloplasty’. Finally, if the procedure is done with the use of Laser, it is called a ‘frenectomy’ because the laser obliterates the tissue. Let me tell you more about our experience with frenotomy and frenectomy.


When our second daughter was born, in August 2009, I was in terrible pain while nursing her, so I went to see my lactation consultant, Lori, who had helped me to nurse my first daughter correctly.  When I told her that nursing Myla was actually more painful than it had been with Keira, she opened Myla’s mouth and immediately found the reason for that excruciating pain: a very thick frenulum linguae, under her tongue, commonly called ‘Tongue Tie’. (For the importance of a Certified Lactation Consultant during the first few hours of your baby’s life, please visit my blog Lori showed us a book with some pictures of babies with that problem and pictures of the specific soreness on the Mom’s nipples (different than the ones caused by a wrong positioning of the baby at the breast). In the same book, there were pictures of older children or even adults, whose frenulum was so thick it didn’t allow the tongue to move as freely as it should.

Lori also shared with us a very informative Powerpoint presentation by Dr Brian Palmer, where we could observe different kinds of frenula, their level of seriousness and how thick they can become with age, when not clipped at birth ( We immediately opted for a clipping (frenotomy) to be done as soon as possible, considering my pain during breastfeeding and Myla’s obvious impediment in even sticking her tongue out of her mouth. Imagine how uncomfortable it is to have your tongue stuck to the bottom of your mouth! Some babies have serious problems breastfeeding (see the story of the baby from Hawaii, below), others might develop a speech impediment that could affect not only the normal development of their personality and self-esteem, but also their education and their whole life (see Connor’s Story, below).

Well, what seemed as obvious to us seemed not-so-obvious to everybody else! This is where our ‘adventure’ started.

When we took Myla to the pediatrician’s office (our pediatrician was having a baby herself, so we had to see another doctor at the same practice), she claimed that ‘tongue-tied babies are very common, and their sublingual frenulum goes away with time’. True? Well, the book we had looked at and Dr Palmer’s study showed that, in some cases, they do not go away at all, at least for the kind of frenulum our daughter Myla had. When we voiced our position and asked for a referral to a specialist who would clip Myla’s frenulum, the pediatrician said she didn’t have any referral to give us, as no doctor in that practice endorses clipping frenula in babies. I mentioned my pain in breastfeeding and she suggested that I ‘suffered through that until Myla’s frenulum was gone, or choose to give her formula.’ When we left that office, we were in a mixture of disappointment, anger and frustration. Once home, we called Lori again, who sighed (she had already imagined that such an answer could come from a pediatrician, regarding the treatment of a frenulum) and gave us the number of a midwife who could do the procedure on our baby. The clipping, she reassured us, was totally safe. And so it was. We called the midwife, Pam (, set up an appointment that same day, drove to her office and had it done in less than 3 seconds. Myla cried when she had it clipped, and it bled a little, but, as soon as I put her at my breast, she nursed in a way that already seemed different to me. She was totally peaceful after that. My breast healed in a week and she has nursed beautifully for 14 months.


About one year later, at the end of August 2010, Kevin and I were playing with our daughters in our living room and, for the first time, we noticed that Myla had a ‘strange’ smile: her lips would cover her upper front teeth completely, and none of us in the family has that problem.

Instinctively, I pulled her upper lips up and, there it was: a thick piece of tissue in between her teeth, which linked her gums to her lip much lower than what all of us had. Kevin and I looked at each other and instinctively knew that this frenulum too was there when she was born. However, this one was much thicker than the one we had clipped. ‘Oh, boy! Will the midwife be able to clip this one too?’, we wondered.

That same night, I spent hours on the internet, trying to learn more about frenum/frenulum and how to get rid of them. I found some feedback from people that had it removed at their dentist’s office from an oral surgeon and all of them said, “The sooner you do it, the better!” The parent of a 6-month-old boy said it was ‘a walk in the park’, while a 70-yr-old woman said it was so painful to have the frenectomy done in order for her dentist to put dentures in her mouth (the frenum was ‘in the middle’ and needed to be removed), she wishes she had not done it at all and had rather stayed with no dentures and no teeth! None of them, however, specified what kind of procedure they had done (if with stitches or not) – they just called it ‘frenectomy’. The day after, I called Lori, our lactation consultant, and she said that this frenulum could not be just clipped, as it was already thick, and suggested that we went to see an ENT (Ear-Nose-Throat specialist) she had just visited herself for family reasons and had had a good experience with. In order to see a specialist, however, you have to first obtain a referral from your doctor, so I went to see our pediatrician (the one who was giving birth a year before). I explained the situation to her, saying that we were sure this frenulum was already there when Myla was born and now it had got thicker. I also said that Lori, who she knew very well, as she had referred me to her two years before, was suggesting that we went to see a specific ENT, and we were willing to go show him Myla as soon as possible.

To my surprise, our pediatrician said there was no reason to be so upset over something ‘so small’ if compared to Myla’s heart murmur and that we should focus on seeing a cardiologist first. She added that frenula usually go away with time, that this one was not creating Myla any feeding problem, therefore, in a couple of months, I could just show it to a pediatric dentist and see what he might think. Once home, I told my husband what she had said and asked him, ‘Do you think that we are making a fuss over anything and that, this being only ‘esthetical’, we should let it be?’ He was very upset about our pediatrician’s response, and said, ‘Absolutely not! This frenulum is NOT going to go away, as we well know and have seen in the book and in Dr Palmer’s study. What are we waiting for? That she turns 14, has a huge gap between her teeth, not to mention a much thicker frenulum that doesn’t even allow her to smile normally, and that she needs to remove it then, and get braces at a huge financial expense on our part? Nonsense! If we take it off now, she might need braces anyway, but if we leave it there, she will need them for sure. To me, the answer is obvious: let’s get it done Now!’ Having decided that, I called our pediatrician’s office again, told the secretary we had decided this was important to us and wanted it checked by a specialist as soon as possible, and asked to have the referral to the ENT I had been advised about. The secretary said she would talk to the doctor and let me know.

In the meantime, that evening, I kept on researching information online and found some different kind of frenectomies for labial frenula. has excellent videos, so I found there were at least three ways to the procedure: Z-plasty surgery, the traditional way with scalpel and scissors and stitches and, lastly, laser surgery. A few months before, our pediatrician had given me her personal e-mail address, as she was changing practice and that was the way to communicate with the patients who wanted to follow her. Therefore, inspired by the information I had found, I shared it with her through e-mail and I also sent her Dr Palmer’s Powerpoint presentation. The morning after, I received a phone call from the pediatrician’s secretary, who told me, in a very dry tone, that I was not supposed to use the doctor’s private e-mail address and that I had to bring Myla back in, if I wanted any referral from them at all. I was so frustrated and discouraged after that! I had sent her that e-mail with the best of intentions and the answer I got was not at all what I had expected. Rather, the opposite! My husband was furious and said, ‘You stay home. I’ll go’. The doctor ended up not giving my husband a referral to the ENT Lori had suggested, but a list of other ENTs. Therefore, we called the ENT’s office we had been advised on the first place, we fixed an appointment and then called the pediatrician’s office and asked them (with every ounce of patience we had left, as I am sure they felt the same way with us) to fax their referral to this specific ENT. If I had a specific request, why couldn’t that be satisfied? Why is everything so complicated, in 21st-century America’s medical system?? When we went to see him, he said that 90% of tongue-tied babies have an upper labial frenulum too (as we had thought) and that he clips both at birth or during the first months of life, no anesthesia needed. However, Myla being older than 4 months of age (13 months old), he would need to put her under general anesthesia, use scalpel and scissors, put a couple of stitches and be done in a few minutes. When I asked him how bad he thought her frenulum was, he said, “Significant. And, no, it will not go away with time.” He sent us home with the papers ready to be filled out with Myla’s information for the procedure. The cardiologist told us her heart murmur was very normal and he could barely hear it, so he approved the general anesthesia for the frenectomy. However, something held us back: the videos I had watched on showed that laser surgery was so much easier! Why go through general anesthesia on a little child, when you can have it done in local anesthesia? At this point, our questions were, ‘Is it possible to have laser surgery on a 13-month old? And, if so, who could do it?’ That same night, I thought that asking the leading expert in frenula was the way to go. The leading expert for us was Dr Brian Palmer, who had developed such a detailed study on the problem. Maybe he would address us on the right way. So, here I was now, writing an e-mail to this very important doctor, while a little voice in me was saying, ‘Here we go again! Now HIS secretary will call you, to tell you NOT to use his personal e-mail ever again!’

Well, less than 24 hours later, Dr Brian Palmer in person sends me the following e-mail:

Sept 17, 2010

Hi Alessia, I am retired now.  Someone you might want to contact is Dr. Larry Kotlow.  He has done, and is currently doing, research on tight frenums.  He may be able to consult with you or he may know someone in your area who may be able to help.  His contact information is: Lawrence A. Kotlow, D.D.S., P.C.[…] Hope you find help for your daughter. For Better Health! Brian Palmer, DDS

What a great man! I am sure the medical history of the future will give him thanks for all his research on the topic of frenula! Certainly my family and I will!

The day after, Saturday September 18th, I receive this other e-mail:

Alessia: Brian Palmer forwarded your e-mail onto me for comment. I would go ahead and have a laser frenectomy with no more than local anesthesia performed by an oral surgeon who knows how to do this as soon as possible to prevent further problems. If you live anywhere near Albany, New York Dr. Kotlow performs this procedure very often and is an expert on the subject, perhaps the world’s expert. You can contact him at kiddsteeth.comAlison K. Hazelbaker, PhD, IBCLC

That same day, though, I had brought Myla to a periodontist’s, to ask if he performed laser frenectomies. He said he did, but only on children who were 10 years old or older. He would not take the responsibility of perfoming it on little ones, as they move too much and it can be dangerous. He also suggested that we waited until her new teeth came out, and see if the frenulum would get thinner at that point. If it didn’t, he would consider doing it on her then, when she would be 5 or 6 years old, but not before then. Therefore, even though Dr Hazelbaker’s e-mail gave me encouragement, I wrote:

Dr Hazelbaker, thank you very much for the referral. Unfortunately, we live in Phoenix, AZ and it wouldn’t be easy for us to reach Albany, NY. Our girl is 1 year old and both an oral surgeon and an ENT told us that a local anesthesia wouldn’t be enough, as my girl is too little and would move too much for them to perform a laser frenectomy. Therefore, we were thinking of waiting until she’s 5 or 6 and then get that done. Hopefully, then, she’ll be ‘wise’ enough to stay still during the shot and the procedure. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to send them our way. Thank you so much for your time.

This was her reply: I would strongly encourage you to get a consult with Dr. Kotlow. He does laser surgery on this age child all the time. I am sure he would speak to you on the phone. I also strongly encourage you NOT to wait until she is 5-6. By then she may have developed all manner of compensations like speech delay and dental problems. Now is the time when you have the power to prevent problems from developing. Alison K. Hazelbaker, PhD, IBCLC

Reassured by her words, I picked up the phone and called Dr Kotlow. He talked to me directly, which I so highly appreciated, and explained that very few doctors and oral surgeons, if any, want to accept the fact that frenula need to be removed early and that laser frenectomies on babies or kids of any age, as well as on adults, are totally safe, fast and give great results with a very short recovery time, if compared to any other procedure. He added that people fly to his office in Albany, NY from all over the place and can fly back home the very next day. The procedure itself lasts only 5 minutes or so. I thanked him so much for reassuring us, and then I gently asked him if he knew of anybody who performed laser frenectomies in Arizona. He answered, ‘Nobody in Arizona that I know of. In California, I know Dr James Jesse. You can contact him and, if he can’t help you, you can call me again. Good luck’. Another great man! After talking to him, we felt so confident that we were moving in the right direction, doing what was best for our little daughter. But, man, wouldn’t all this be much easier for your family if your pediatrician and your dentist knew too??

When I called Dr. James Jesse, his daughter and assistant was, too, very kind. She explained that:

– only very little local anesthesia was needed on the frenulum, then laser, the whole thing lasting about 5 minutes;
– Tylenol only if the child complains too much after the procedure. When they follow up after 24 hours, parents 99% of the times say the kid is doing great and needed no Tylenol or other drugs at all;
– two weeks from the day of the procedure, you can barely see a scar on that point!

I ask the magic question again, “Anybody in Arizona?” she says she doesn’t think so, but then asks Dr Jesse and he gives me the phone number of a classmate of his in Scottsdale that might do it. (What a great man and professional he is as well, like Dr Palmer and Dr Kotlow! So hard to find, in today’s age!). I called the doctor in Scottsdale, but his assistant says, “No, he doesn’t use laser. And, wow, on a 1 year old? Oh no, we don’t treat patients that young!” Our new pediatrician defined Myla’s frenulum ‘pretty significant’ and sent a written request to our insurance, to see if they could cover the procedure. In his letter, he mentioned that ‘indications for the surgery include: prevention of potential gum recession, speech articulation defects and front-tooth diastema’ and that laser surgery is to be preferred because, ‘in comparison to traditional surgery, does not require general anesthesia, saving medical risk to this young child, as well as medical costs; perioperative complications and pain are also potentially less’. While waiting for a reply from our insurance, I called the 22 oral surgeons on their list in the state of Arizona. 19 of them told me they don’t perform laser frenectomies (some of them doubted the fact that frenectomies can be performed with laser, especially on children this young), 1 performed Z-plastic surgery with general anesthesia and 2 very confidently told me that there is no way that laser can be as effective as what they perfom, which is scalpel-and-scissor incision in general anesthesia. Another pediatric dentist right by our house bluntly told me that he would never put his own kids into such a ‘distress’ as a frenectomy, especially at this young age, and that “the only intelligent thing to do is wait until her new teeth come out.” When I mentioned laser, he literary said it is ‘dangerous’ on kids so little and that the frenulum ‘comes back’ if treated with laser. “Well”, I said, “pretend she’s 10 today and I’m back and the frenulum is still there. Will you remove it, or would you send me to somebody else?” At my words, he lost his patience, left the room, came back with a phone and called somebody, evidently the oral surgeon he works with, in those cases. To everything the surgeon would say, the dentist would add, “I told her! Yes, I told her!” and, after hanging up, he said, “As I told you very clearly already, there is no need to remove a frenulum at this early age! Wait until her new teeth come out and then we’ll see. I am pretty confident the frenulum will be gone by then. Removing it at this age, and with all the risks involved, just wouldn’t make sense!”

At this point, we just realized that a great part of doctors and oral surgeons do not have the right information at hand on the matter of frenula and frenectomies. This is the ‘why’ of this booklet: to raise awareness that, YES, there is a better way! And that the sooner it gets done, the better.

The result from our insurance came back, saying that “the procedure’s expenses cannot be covered by the insurance, as the frenulum does not interfere with feeding, therefore it is only ‘esthetical’ and has to be paid in full by the patient”. However, the procedure was not too expensive, under $400, so that same day we called Dr Jesse in California, scheduled the procedure for the following week and got it done.

On, Monday, January 3rd 2011, at 8 am, Dr James Jesse performed a laser frenectomy on Myla. Total length of the procedure, from injection of local anesthetic to end: 6 minutes. The laser procedure itself: 1 minute and 25 seconds!

As soon as my husband let go of Myla (he was holding her down during the frenectomy), she stopped crying and enjoyed the popsicle that Dr Jesse’s assistant had nicely given her. We couldn’t believe how fast and simple the whole procedure was!

That same evening, we were back home. Myla had been happy as always during the 6-hour drive back to Phoenix, watching dvds with her big sister in the back seat, having another popsicle on the way and an ice-cream after dinner. As promised, the day after, Dr Jesse’s assistant called us to check that everything was ok. Myla had slept very well that night and had not complained at all about her booboo (she just pointed at it once, saying, ‘Booboo, Mommy’, and, after my kiss, never mentioned it again). No Tylenol was needed. We pulled her lips up and held them for 10 seconds about 6 or 7 times a day for one week, as suggested by Dr Jesse. On day 10, we could barely see the scar. Today, after exactly 1 month after the procedure, you can’t even tell a frenum, a frenulum or a frenectomy happened there! We all enjoy her beautiful smile with her teeth out, not covered by her lips, and her big diastema (gap between her front teeth) is already closing, helping the other two front teeth get in a better position than the lateral one they were growing in before. And, I must add, the whole procedure is very inexpensive, so the fact that our insurance did not cover it was not a big deal. Whichever the price, laser frenectomies, especially when done early in life, are so worth every penny spent to have them done! How much is your child’s smile and, most importantly, his/her health and well-being worth to you?


Some information I found on the web:


J Periodontol. 2006 Nov;77(11):1815-9.
Evaluation of patient perceptions after frenectomy operations: a comparison of carbon dioxide laser and scalpel techniques
Haytac MC, Ozcelik O., Department of Periodontology, Faculty of Dentistry, Cukurova University, Adana, Turkey.

BACKGROUND: A frenum that encroaches on the margin of the gingiva may interfere with plaque removal and cause tension. Frenectomy is the complete removal of the frenum that can be made by scalpels or with soft tissue lasers. The aim of this article was to compare the degree of postoperative pain, such as discomfort and functional complications (eating and speech), experienced by patients after two frenectomy operation techniques.
METHODS: Forty patients requiring frenectomy were randomly assigned to have treatment either with a conventional technique or with a carbon dioxide (CO2) laser. The postoperative pain and functional complication ratings of each patient were recorded using a visual analog scale on days 1 and 7.
RESULTS: The results indicated patients treated with the CO2 laser had less postoperative pain and fewer functional complications (speaking and chewing) (P <0.0001 each) and required fewer analgesics (P <0.001) compared to patients treated with the conventional technique.
CONCLUSIONS: This clinical study indicates that CO2 laser treatment used for frenectomy operations provides better patient perception in terms of postoperative pain and function than that obtained by the scalpel technique. Considering the above advantages, when used correctly, the CO2 laser offers a safe, effective, acceptable, and impressive alternative for frenectomy operations.

PMID: 17076605 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]


Photomed Laser Surg. 2008 Apr;26(2):147-52.
Evaluation of patient perceptions of frenectomy: a comparison of Nd:YAG laser and conventional techniques.
Kara C., Department of Periodontology, Faculty of Dentistry, Atatürk University, Erzurum, Turkey.

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the randomized controlled clinical trial described here was to determine the anxiety levels of patients prior to frenectomy using the Nd:YAG laser and conventional technique, and to compare the effects of these two methods on the degree of postoperative pain, discomfort, and functional complications (eating and speech).
METHODS: Forty patients with mucogingival problems due to labial frenums (both maxillary and mandibular) were included in the study. Ratings of preoperative fear and postoperative pain and functional complications for each patient were recorded using a visual analog scale at 3 h, 1 d, and 1 wk post-surgery.
RESULTS: The results indicated that patients treated with the Nd:YAG laser had less postoperative pain and fewer functional complications (p < 0.05).
CONCLUSION: The results suggest that in the population studied, Nd:YAG laser treatment of soft tissue disorders provides better patient perceptions of success than those seen with conventional surgery.

PMID: 18341414 [PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]


‘A diastema also can be caused by an oversized labial frenum. The labial frenum is the piece of tissue that normally extends from the inside of your upper lip to the gum just above your two upper front teeth. In some situations, the labial frenum continues to grow and passes between the two front teeth. If this happens, it blocks the natural closing of the space between these teeth.’

….Now, knowing how much self-consciusness a big diastema can cause in teenagers growing up and even in adults who often prefer not to smile in pictures or to cover their mouth while smiling or laughing in front of other people, not to mention the much more serious health problems a frenulum can cause, why don’t pediatricians, dentists and oral surgeons naturally search for a better way? They are very busy with a million issues, and I salute each one of them for everything they do for us every day, but I also hope and pray that this article and this blog can help spread the information on laser frenectomy and the advantages of doing it early in life.
In our opinion, there is no better way to treat a thick frenulum than Laser Frenectomy, right here, right now, in 21st-century America. The fact that Dr Kotlow and Dr Jesse perform this procedure is a blessing, and the ‘good news’ need to be spread! Dr Brian Palmer, Dr Lawrence Kotlow and Dr James Jesse have studied the topic deeply – now it is up to us who have the results in our hands to help them with raising awareness on a problem that seems so little, but can affect many young men and women’s self-esteem, health and even finances, when we consider braces, speech therapist and such.

My best wishes of good luck to you, if you are starting your adventure right now! And a call to ‘join the cause’, if you have had a personal experience with frenula and frenectomies and are willing to share your information with others. Remember, a battle for a cause that can improve people’s lives, bringing them physical and psychological well-being, is always a battle worth fighting!

If you wish to share your story, so it can be posted on this blog, please send an e-mail to Alessia Mogavero: We are looking forward to receiving your testimony and read what you have to say on frenum, frenulum and frenectomy!


Kevin and Alessia Mogavero


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40 Responses to Tongue-Ties and Lip-Ties: how to effectively deal with them in 21st-Century America

  1. Grace says:

    Hello, I have finally found a page with some helpful information on it. My first daughter just turned 3, I have noticed form very early on that when she smiles she cannot show her top teeth, her little 1 year old sisters smile is completely different and we see all her teeth. She also has quite a thick bit of skin between her upper lip and front teeth. We are in Australia, I don’t know what is around here to help her. I will look into laser surgery for her now, thank you so much for your photos too, my daughters smile is just the same as your daughers before photo. Now away I go to do more research 🙂

  2. Lilia says:

    Thank you you are very kind to take your time to explain this to mothers that don’t know where to look for information. My 3 pediatricians never checked this problem even tough I told them I was having latch on problems and low milk supply after my baby turned 6 moths old and they just laugh about the idea of tongue or lip tie. They didn’t even recorded me to an Ear nose throat specialist and my baby is now 8 months old and with some feeding problems. Do I have to get a referral to make an appointment with Dr James? I will sure call him! Thank You again and it was meant to be to fine this information thank you very much!

    • alemogo says:


      thank you for sharing your experience!

      I am sure Dr Jesse will be able to help your baby! Please, let us know how it goes! We’ll be praying for you guys!

  3. Carol says:

    Reading your blog is like someone has been writing my life the last couple months. We are literally going through Part Two right now. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I suspect we’ll be making a trip to Albany soon. You are a great mama and your daughter is very fortunate to have you.

  4. alemogo says:

    We’ll be praying for you, Carol! I salute you for going to Albany and have your child’s frenum evaluated! Please, keep us posted on the results! God Bless, Alessia

    • Carol says:

      We went to Albany last week and she’s doing great. She had severe ties on upper lip and tongue :(. Dr Kotlow is wonderful. Thank you for your support, advice, and encouraging words! We already see tremendous differences.

      • alemogo says:

        This is wonderful news!! Congratulations on your taking initiative! Your courage has been rewarded! 🙂
        Enjoy your daughter’s new smile and life!

  5. Amy says:

    Thank you so, so much for posting this! I’ve been researching for hours on end trying to sort myth from fact regarding lip ties. My son, 11 months, most definitely has one (he hasn’t been officially diagnosed but his looks just like the “before” picture of your daughter). His pediatrician had actually commented on it when he was an infant (she said that the nerve was very “pronounced” and asked if my husband or I had a gap between our front teeth) but didn’t mention that it could potentially cause problems or recommend any further action. My son’s top two teeth are now coming in and I realized that he has a huge gap between them (large enough to fit a third tooth!). We live in Italy and will be visiting California in December. I hope that we are able to make an appointment with Dr. Jesse while we are there. Were you able to do everything in just one appointment? Or, did you have to make more than one visit (for example, one to diagnose and one to perform the procedure)? My only concern is having to hold him while the procedure is being performed. Was that your husband’s preference? I don’t think my husband could handle it, and I’m not sure I could either. Once again, thank you so much for your very valuable information! You are most definitely helping other parents.

    • alemogo says:

      Dear Amy,
      yes, the procedure can be done in just one visit, and it is very fast. You’ll see that, after the popsicle soon after the procedure, your son will not complain about pain or anything. It is truly that good! I highly recommend that you contact Dr Jesse’s office as soon as you can. Also, I am pretty sure two of his assistants can hold your son, if you or your husband preferred so. Believe me, it lasts less than 2 minutes and it is totally worth it!!
      Please, keep me posted, by email if you prefer (
      By the way, I am Italian – you can write in Italiano as well, if you’d like:-)
      Please, keep me posted on your decision. I’ll be praying for you!
      Many blessings,

  6. Hi there, Thank you so much for this information. I noticed my lil girls at birth now 5 weeks old and trying to get a referral – Im in New Zealand so unsure how common laser will be but I live in the capital so hopefully someone here. Her lip tie is worse than your daughters was – its even hard for her to latch while feeding. Thanks again this has really helped

    • alemogo says:

      I’m so glad you could benefit from our experience!
      We’ll be praying for you and your little baby girl to find the right help!
      Please, keep us updated on how it goes. It would be great to add some referrals for other New Zealand Moms and Dads who are in the same situation!
      Thank you and God bless,

  7. Anna says:

    Just went to Dr.James Jesse today with my 23 month old!! They were amazing! My daughter had both lip and tongue tie fixed for ONLY $400 total. His staff helped me hold my daughter still. Dr. James Jesse was so nice and explained everything he was doing and was very patient despite my daughter moving around and even biting him several times. There was no bleeding, within 1 minute after it was done my daughter was happily eating a ice pop. It was as if nothing had even happened. I am so happy he provides this service WITHOUT putting the kids to sleep and we need to spread the word!!! This was night and day from when my son had this done with another doctor (who didn’t use laser), he was put to sleep, and he bleed for days, was in a lot of pain and cost almost $2000 total, and the tongue tie even grew back for him so now we need to have it done again. DEFINITELY taking him to Dr. James Jesse. He told me in the 15 years he has done this with laser only about 3 patients have had it grown back and needed to get it redone. And he said that if it were to grow back for any reason he would not charge anything. What’s also great is that you can get an appointment almost immediately because it is so quick he schedules these things in between his other patients. I called on Monday and booked an appointment 3 days days later, could have gotten it the next day if my schedule had permitted. Thanks for this blog that helped me find him!

    • alemogo says:

      That’s wonderful, Anna!!
      I am so happy for your daughter and you guys!
      You say it right: we have to spread the word!!
      Blessings to you and your family!

  8. Dr. Visor, Otolaryngologist says:

    Lasers are hot! It turns out, although they cut tissue nicely with no bleedeing, they ALWAYS SCAR WORSE BECAUSE OF THE INTENSE INFLAMATION it causes. The reason the majority of ENT surgeons use a knife is because it is delicate and scars less. I do them here in Oklahoma all the time because a child should be able to stick out their tongue. It can be done at almost any age in the clinic. Some do need anesthesia to hold still, but we use very little and with a calm pre-numbing application of lidocaine topically, a sucker and a hug is usually all that is needed. Sutures are needed to rearrange the local flap into the midline to further prevent recurrance..but these are disolvable. It is interesting that there are so many different opinions on such a simple proceedure. I wonder what would have been post for a circumscision.

    • alemogo says:

      I am sorry your experience with laser has been negative, Dr Visor.
      Our experience showed very positive results, that’s why we wrote this blog.
      Thank you for sharing, though! We are always open to honest feedback.
      God’s blessings,
      Alessia Mogavero

  9. Lois Laynee Ph.D says:

    I live in Phoenix and develop communities for the development if children’s airways! We utilize multidisciplinary approach and frenum release is part of the infant protocol.
    I would love to speak with you and see how your child’s development has proceeded after the frenum release ! I want to commend you on all your diligent research and yes you went to the best !
    Looking forward to creating an easier care model for other parents !

  10. kiwidane says:

    I am so interested in this blog site. I have just spent 5 days in hospital with my 6 month old son. He has been screaming all day since birth and waking eery 2-3 hours around the clock. My son was born in Denmark (Europe) and a midwife noticed a tie under his tongue. The paediatrician said it was fine. However, breastfeeding was a struggle and baby would pull off screaming, try latching on again and feed for a while before pulling off again in frustration. We moved back to New Zealand when he was 6 weeks old. I consulted a Dr who told me to start him on solids as he was obviously hungry. That’s what they did in South Africa where he came from. I kept persevering with breastfeeding until I managed to see a lactation consultant when he was 13 weeks old. I had not even started feeding when she said “I know what you problem is…tongue-tie”. We saw a Dr who performed the ‘snip’ and he couldn’t believe how severe it was and was amazed it wasn’t dealt with at birth. But, apparently, a lot of paediatricians don’t believe it is a problem. The tongue-tie underneath developed again and we had that snipped again a month ago. Feeding got a little better but the constant screaming has continued and the frequent waking. Totally exhausted, I decided to take him into emergency at our regional hospital. I had talked with child care nurses, called a child help line, and been to the Dr several times. There, we decided to put him on the bottle. After 4 days he finally took it and we haven’t looked back. He is a different baby – settled, content, and sleeping through the night! However, we still have this unresolved issue with the upper lip tongue-tie that we only noticed just before I took him to the hospital. The paediatrician said not to worry about it and it won’t be affecting his breastfeeding. He said he would grow out of it. My feeling is otherwise and so of course I got on google and found your site. My son’s two front teeth are already wide apart because of the attachment. So, who do I see? An ENT? A dentist? Any luck with finding out anything further with this in New Zealand? Thank you so much for your blog written so graciously. It is so helpful. Signed…an exhausted Mum:)

    • alemogo says:

      Oh, dear!
      I am so sorry about all that you’ve had to go through! My hat off to you! A Mom from New Zealand told me she’s available to answer any questions (her baby daughter had a very thick labial frenum and tongue tie). Her name is Gemma and her email is:
      You can also contact a lactation consultant in your area (searching online sometimes is the best way) and a midwife. They might know of somebody who performs laser frenectomy. At the same time, you can try with dentists and ENT, and I hope and pray you find some who use laser. The best of luck! Please, keep us posted!

  11. Andrea says:

    Very interesting post. Thanks for posting my daughter is 3 has a tight frenum and has been fighting leukemia for almost 2 years. this weekend her frenum tore her gum tissue. we had taken her to an ent who told us they did not recommend it. a dentist who also said…we do it at 8 years old. Took her in to a dentist today that said she typically did it at age 8 but would be willing to do it if her oncologist thought it was a good idea. I am a hygienist and truly never learned about doing it at an early age. Both my kids have tight upper lip frenums…i need to talk to my dentist in detail about this and why they don’t do it young.

    • alemogo says:

      Dear Andrea,
      first of all, my hat off to you for being so strong of a Mom as to fight with leukemia. We will definitely be praying for you and your little daughter!
      Also, please let me know what the dentist says. In my experience, they don’t do laser frenectomy on little ones because of lack of information. Dr Jesse and Dr Kotlow are doing their best to inform their colleagues on the importance of laser frenectomy on little ones. By spreading the word, we can help them too!
      Please, keep us posted! A big hug,

      • jkpdx says:

        Thank you for writing this. My son was born with tongue tied and a very thick lip frenulum. We were lucky enough to have a great lactation consultant who referred us to an ent that does laser. So we had it fixed by 4 months old. I’m glad I read your blog because i have gotten negative feed back from my pediatrician on doing it. Your story just validated in my mind that we did the right thing. And nursing has gotten raised too.

      • alemogo says:

        So glad to hear all went well and nursing is improving! Praise the Lord! I am very excited for you and your little son! Please, let us know the name of the ENT who helped you, so we can add his name to our list and help other Moms who live in your area! thank you!
        God bless your family!

  12. Oral & Maxillofacial Surgeon says:

    Nice website that you have here; however, I would caution you not to read too much into the differences in opinion between practitioners about risks and benefits for different modalities of anesthesia or age/ technique of operation. Some children are psychologically traumatized by procedures under local anesthesia and end up avoiding the dentist for the rest of their life due to the fear of pain experienced (that shot hurts!). I meet people like that almost every day. Your little girl was young enough to probably not remember and will be fine, but this is why some dentists will refuse to treat this young under local anesthesia (not to mention the dangers of cutting on a moving child).
    All of these procedures have a risk of relapse; some practitioners have certainly had better experiences with one procedure over another and will then, in the absence of definitive research settling the question, adamantly prefer one procedure over another. The post-operative instructions you received and your compliance with them is most likely what led to the good result–more so than the fact it was performed with a laser.
    I would love to see some peer-reviewed published research with control groups definitively showing that a maxillary labial frenum can restrict proper facial growth if not treated at a young age as claimed at the end.

    • alemogo says:

      Thank you for your input, Sir. We always appreciate feedback from the experts who are acquainted with the procedure itself. What is not clear to me is why so many pediatricians and pediatric dentists are against laser frenectomies on babies and little children, when it is so fast and inexpensive. I truly don’t believe the problem of tight frenum goes away with time or growth, so why not support the use of laser to solve the problem early, before it becomes a problem? (And in some cases, as you can read from the testimonies, it already is a problem for the baby and the breast-feeding Mom).
      Thank you again for your comment.
      God bless,
      Alessia Mogavero

  13. Victoria says:

    This made me so mad when I read it because it is such a familiar story! We noticed my sons attached upper lip frenulum shortly before his 1st birthday. It is creating a gap in his teeth, bleeds when we brush, etc. I brought it up at his check up and his doctor told us to wait until his baby teeth fell out and then we could have it clipped if we like, gaps are good at this age. She also said that if we saw anyone about it that it would be a dental surgeon and not an ENT like I had mentioned. I was so disappointed when we left her office, I came home and did a ton of research. I also called the office of an ENT and although we could not see him without a referral, the shock in his receptionist’s voice when I told her that we were encouraged to wait about 5 years to deal with the problem, validated how I felt. When we next saw my sons doctor I told her that we had thought about it and decided that we’d rather not wait that long to have it clipped and she (rather begrudgingly, in my opinion) gave us the name of a paediatric dental surgeon. Unfortunately, the frustration doesn’t end there. We had our first consultation with the dentist yesterday and she also seemed kind of surprised that I wanted to have it clipped. She said that they usually wait until they start getting their adult teeth because it sometimes detaches itself then. I told her, no thank you I can’t even brush his teeth without it bleeding so I’d like it clipped as soon as possible. She said the procedure will be done at the hospital and with use of general anesthesia (much to my disappointment because I was really hoping for it to be done with a laser). But not until his second set of molars come in “just in case he needs additional dental work, it can all be done at once”. So basically after a 3 minute consultation (and $125) we have to go back in 3 months just to see how his molars are doing. Sigh, I can’t wait for it to be just clipped and done with!

    • alemogo says:

      Dear Victoria,
      have you thought of contacting one of the laser-frenectomy specialists on our list? Believe me when I say that the procedure is so simple and fast (and rather inexpensive) that they don’t need to see your son first. You might send a picture of your son’s frenum to them on an email, but if YOU, the Mom, think it’s thick, IT IS thick, so they’ll just schedule the laser frenectomy, you go in and, in 15 minutes, you’re out, without complications and such (please, read our success stories to have more confirmation. I haven’t received any ‘unsuccessful story’ about laser frenectomy!)
      I understand your frustration, believe me! That’s why I took the time to write this long article and put it on a blog. People need to know that laser is available, and we are so blessed to live in North America, where it is available in different locations! I hope you live close to one of the specialists in our list. Please, let us know what you decide! We’ll be praying for you!

      • Victoria says:

        Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my comment! Unfortunately there are no specialists I know of in my area that do laser frenectomies. I live in Ontario, Canada and even the two Canadian specialists on your list are across the country from me. When I see the paediatric dentist again in August I will inquire about laser frenectomy and whether she or any others in the are perform those, I really would prefer it over clipping.

  14. Osei Anthony says:

    i am 25yr old man who cant stick his tongue out because of tight frenulum. and i am in africa. can i have it done? if yes can i do with general anaesthesia since the laser thing is not popular here? thank you.

    • alemogo says:

      Dear Anthony,
      Thank you for writing. Have you tried to contact an ENT (Ear, Nose and Throat doctor, an otorhinolaryngologist)? If you don’t have any in your area, even a dentist might help you. Feel free to share with them the information you have read on the blog. I believe that YES, absolutely you can have it done. Any person at any age can have the frenum removed.
      Please, let us know if you can find anyone who can help you. If I hear of any doctors in Africa, I will definitely let you know.
      We’ll be praying for you!
      Alessia and family

  15. Heather Steele says:

    Hello! Thanks for this article! My son was born with an extremely tight tongue-tie (from the tip of his tongue to his gums, they corrected it at 5 days old cause he was having issues eating. He is now 10mo old and has an equally tight upper frenulum. I’m having a hard time finding a pediatric dentist in my area that will do the laser frenectomy on a child his age, they are all recommending that I wait until he is 5. I’m not comfortable waiting that long, I live in Ct so I can’t help but think Albany is the only option we have.

    • alemogo says:

      Dear Heather,
      Yes, my humble recommendation is that you don’t wait until he’s five before taking care of it. One big advantage we have with children younger than 2 years old is that they don’t even remember it!
      I would call Dr Kotlow’s office in Albany, NY and ask them if they know of anybody in your area. If they’re the closest, I truly believe it is worth the trip! Laser is extremely fast, quite affordable and with no side-effects. You will not regret it! 🙂
      The best of luck, and please keep us posted! We’ll be praying for you!

  16. Shary says:

    Thank you so much for writing all this out. My pediatrician told me this morning that since my 11 week old was gaining weight that all our other breastfeeding issues were irrelevant and a lip tie isn’t an issue. I doubt him so much but my hands are tied as we are on Medicaid and need a referral. I’m going to have to spend all week running around going to clinics trying to find a ped to refer us. :/

    • alemogo says:

      I would also contact a lactation consultant in your area. She might know of a midwife who can clip the tongue tie without any referral, like it happened to us. it is totally inexpensive.
      We’ll keep you in our prayers! please keep us posted.
      thank you,

  17. Keisha Holland says:

    Thank you so much for your blog.
    This is really a Godsend.
    My daughter was scheduled to have the traditional surgery (not laser) on Tuesday. But we are going to cancel and try and see Dr. James.

    Thank you soooo much!

    Keisha R.

  18. Thank you for sharing your experience. I am an IBCLC and did not realize I was tongue tied until recently. At 67 years old I had my tongue and lower lip tie released. I am glad I did. In my case I went to Dr. Stacy V Cole in Fort Worth TX. I urge every parent who has a tongue tied baby to have the trusted provider also take a look at their lips/tongue. If you can have it released at the same visit as the child, even better! i can say the laser release was less painful than having bone grafts, implants, root canals, and extractions and filling that I have had because of the tongue and lip tie. The constant ear infections I had as a child until I finally lost my tonsils and adenoids were very uncomfortable too. I saw a young man today who just know withe the change to cold weather he would have ear infections and ear aches, common things for tongue tied people. Others have TMJ, teeth grinding, headaches, and these are the tip of the iceberg
    Beverly Morgan IBCLC.

  19. Tina Kimmel says:

    THANK YOU for the wonderfully helpful site and information! My only suggestion is that you cannot be serious about recommending that circumcision be done… at ANY age… without a true medical necessity for it, which is extremely rare, much more rare than a thick labial frenula.

    • alemogo says:

      I am sorry my response to Dr Losenger seemed I suggested that circumcision be done early in life, while I meant laser frenectomy! Because that sentence was not clear, after your suggestion I eliminated it completely.
      Thank you very much for your suggestion!

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